Embargo

[Andyben]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

That's Life I guess 

I can take your business plan to buy the Club along as that appears to have died a death as well

That's still ongoing. Three years I said. 

[Chelters]

17 minutes ago, mkowl said:

It is a bit too easy to brush it off. The reality is where your funding is totally reliant on one funder then the risk is magnified. We do not know the chain here, how many steps before we get to money due to Chansiri to then put into the Club. If one step fails then the domino effect. 

It will probably be fine but if in the background Chansiri is forever spinning plates, one day, I think we have been close before, that will crash. 

What then ?

I share that concern and always have, but we’re far from alone in being reliant on external funding the pay the bills.

But my point is this particular issue is probably just a blip and be sorted in a few days, if not less. What would be a relative non issue in a normal business is made into a big issue by the EFL. 

[KrolMong]

Whilst this is a storm in a tea cup. It would be good to visit that embargo site on a monthly basis and see how many clubs get put under one. I know Reading have been embargoed pretty much solidly for 2 years.

Maybe lots of clubs get slapped with this, maybe not.

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Andyben said:

That's still ongoing. Three years I said. 

Back in 2 weeks 

[Theman]

10 hours ago, mkowl said:

What is your plan. Put 2 pencils up your nose and go wibble. 

It’s wubble

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Chelters said:

I share that concern and always have, but we’re far from alone in being reliant on external funding the pay the bills.

But my point is this particular issue is probably just a blip and be sorted in a few days, if not less. What would be a relative non issue in a normal business is made into a big issue by the EFL. 

Yep cashflow is a bastard, the one thing that creates anxiety and stress 

And HMRC is often used as a credit facility as we know

I often ask the question as to what Chansiri is getting out of this. Maybe there is some kudos in Thailand, maybe its for his kids, maybe he just likes spending money (he currently does not have). 

The follow up question is can Wednesday ever really progress, in a meaningful way, with him as the owner 

[mkowl]

1 minute ago, Theman said:

It’s wubble

He still got shot though 

[Owling_Wolf]

4 hours ago, mkowl said:

Like I say it actually came up on my Facebook memories because it was when Chansiri suggested the fans contribute to the £2m deficit. Which I posted on there "ok but it's open book time on the finances"

I didn't re-comment on it because naively and stupidly thought it's all quite mundane at present and all the better for it. Short lived.

And that is the problem with Chansiri being the owner, we always seem to be that one step from implosion of some sort.

I ask the question - it's been nigh on 30 years of abject failure by the various parties that have owned this Club. Aren't you bored of it

Wrong word for me: I'm frustrated by it.  Being an Owls fan is rarely boring.  🙄

[TheExile]

Seems to be par for the course under current ownership. Not necessarily a big issue as long as it’s paid as it was last time but just not a great look and shows that we continually struggle for short term funding whilst trying to carry out a longer term plan that is now in place.
 

To be fair to DC he has always paid his bills. However, bearing in mind any new owner would need to demonstrate funds in the bank to cover the running of a club for a season at least including tax, funding should be in place for the season rather than being subject to economic headwinds or late payments. 
 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

......

The follow up question is can Wednesday ever really progress, in a meaningful way, with him as the owner 

Fair question and one that deserves genuine debate. Perhaps this is the one platform where such a discussion can be had without the vindictive agenda driven vitriol witnessed elsewhere nor, for balance, by blind sycophancy. I'm not an accountancy expert like yourself, and others on here, but my starting two penneth;

As the quotation goes; 'past performance is no guarantee of future results' -  a maxim conveniently refuted totally by some on this subject. I believe that there's clear evidence this past year of a change in stategy by DC - whether enforced by circumstances or not. First evidenced by the appointment  of Röhl and followed up with the recruitment of his support team. You could arguably go back a bit further still with recruitment  of the likes of Gassama and Musaba. I believe that the likeliest route to financial salvation for DC, and us by default, will be via player sales. We are starting to see players emerging that could potentially be game changers, financially for us. Less of the excessively waged veterans with, no sell on value, in favour of more sensibly remunerated (judging by the reduced/reducing wage bill) younger players with potential and potential sell- on value. Musaba, though not everyone's cup of bovril, will I believe at some stage be sold for good money. Gassama, a genuine talent who's  only just turned 21. Shame about Kobacki's current injury but he's another. For the first time in yonks we've got exciting green shoots coming up from the acadamy - Charles, Otegbayo, Fusire and some still insist that in 19 year old Rio Shipston we have  best of the lot to yet force his way through. We have, in my opinion, the best manager/coaching team for years - one fit for the modern game - to bring the best out of our talent. As said above, it's our player pool that is the most likely way out of the club's/DC's financial woes. In the most likely event that DC is not leaving any time soon then patience will be required but IMO there ARE some optimistic signs.

Edited November 1 by Teddy Nickelarse

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 hour ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Wrong word for me: I'm frustrated by it.  Being an Owls fan is rarely boring.  🙄

Too right!

[mkowl]

31 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Fair question and one that deserves genuine debate. Perhaps this is the one platform where such a discussion can be had without the vindictive agenda driven vitriol witnessed elsewhere nor, for balance, by blind sycophancy. I'm not an accountancy expert like yourself, and others on here, but my starting two penneth;

As the quotation goes; 'past performance is no guarantee of future results' -  a maxim conveniently refuted totally by some on this subject. I believe that there's clear evidence this past year of a change in stategy by DC - whether enforced by circumstances or not. First evidenced by the appointment  of Röhl and followed up with the recruitment of his support team. You could arguably go back a bit further still with recruitment  of the likes of Gassama and Musaba. I believe that the likeliest route to financial salvation for DC, and us by default, will be via player sales. We are starting to see players emerging that could potentially be game changers, financially for us. Less of the excessively waged veterans with, no sell on value, in favour of more sensibly remunerated (judging by the reduced/reducing wage bill) younger players with potential and potential sell- on value. Musaba, though not everyone's cup of bovril, will I believe at some stage be sold for good money. Gassama, a genuine talent who's  only just turned 21. Shame about Kobacki's current injury but he's another. For the first time in yonks we've got exciting green shoots coming up from the acadamy - Charles, Otegbayo, Fusire and some still insist that in 19 year old Rio Shipston we have  best of the lot to yet force his way through. We have, in my opinion, the best manager/coaching team for years - one fit for the modern game - to bring the best out of our talent. As said above, it's our player pool that is the most likely way out of the club's/DC's financial woes. In the most likely event that DC is not leaving any time soon then patience will be required but IMO there ARE some optimistic signs.

All very good and fair points 

I suppose my point is whilst ever Chansiri runs into cash flow problems on a regular basis, that we always seem one step from shooting ourselves in the foot, that all that good work could count for nothing. 

Many would argue in business there is a time to pass on the baton and I think we have a better chance of moving forward from that foundation. Lets be honest its a better foundation than we have had, but its basically the structure we need to have to be mid table in the Championship. In terms of the training ground, the stadium etc we are still way behind comparable clubs. 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

5 minutes ago, mkowl said:

All very good and fair points 

I suppose my point is whilst ever Chansiri runs into cash flow problems on a regular basis, that we always seem one step from shooting ourselves in the foot, that all that good work could count for nothing. 

Many would argue in business there is a time to pass on the baton and I think we have a better chance of moving forward from that foundation. Lets be honest its a better foundation than we have had, but its basically the structure we need to have to be mid table in the Championship. In terms of the training ground, the stadium etc we are still way behind comparable clubs. 

 

Thank you. It's good and refreshing to have a civilised exchange of views on this subject. 

There's no doubting that your points regarding training facilities and stadium are inarguable. Millstones acquired by DC from previous ownership. DC has spent on the training facilities to an extent however and did invest in the new pitch. Despite criticisms during the last two mid- winters the pitch is still way better than under any previous ownership.

Of course; massive investment is needed to bring the stadium and training facilities up to standard and,  if we're  being honest, likely both require different sites. But they're debates for another day and in reality for if/when a new ownership brings with it around a billion quid to chuck at it. There's the rub.

 

[TheExile]

1 hour ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Fair question and one that deserves genuine debate. Perhaps this is the one platform where such a discussion can be had without the vindictive agenda driven vitriol witnessed elsewhere nor, for balance, by blind sycophancy. I'm not an accountancy expert like yourself, and others on here, but my starting two penneth;

As the quotation goes; 'past performance is no guarantee of future results' -  a maxim conveniently refuted totally by some on this subject. I believe that there's clear evidence this past year of a change in stategy by DC - whether enforced by circumstances or not. First evidenced by the appointment  of Röhl and followed up with the recruitment of his support team. You could arguably go back a bit further still with recruitment  of the likes of Gassama and Musaba. I believe that the likeliest route to financial salvation for DC, and us by default, will be via player sales. We are starting to see players emerging that could potentially be game changers, financially for us. Less of the excessively waged veterans with, no sell on value, in favour of more sensibly remunerated (judging by the reduced/reducing wage bill) younger players with potential and potential sell- on value. Musaba, though not everyone's cup of bovril, will I believe at some stage be sold for good money. Gassama, a genuine talent who's  only just turned 21. Shame about Kobacki's current injury but he's another. For the first time in yonks we've got exciting green shoots coming up from the acadamy - Charles, Otegbayo, Fusire and some still insist that in 19 year old Rio Shipston we have  best of the lot to yet force his way through. We have, in my opinion, the best manager/coaching team for years - one fit for the modern game - to bring the best out of our talent. As said above, it's our player pool that is the most likely way out of the club's/DC's financial woes. In the most likely event that DC is not leaving any time soon then patience will be required but IMO there ARE some optimistic signs.

All great points and fully agreed. We have a plan that we seem to be working to over a 3 year period at least. That’s the hard bit. Paying the tax though that’s just a basic that anyone credible does, it’s just that spectre of potentially shooting our selves in the foot from left field (again) that unsettles the above.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

4 minutes ago, TheExile said:

All great points and fully agreed. We have a plan that we seem to be working to over a 3 year period at least. That’s the hard bit. Paying the tax though that’s just a basic that anyone credible does, it’s just that spectre of potentially shooting our selves in the foot from left field (again) that unsettles the above.

At the current time though, it seems that the overdue payment is a more serious issue for the EFL than HMRC. If it remains outstanding come the end of November the volume will turn up exponentially of course.

[Billysboy]

6 hours ago, KrolMong said:

Whilst this is a storm in a tea cup. It would be good to visit that embargo site on a monthly basis and see how many clubs get put under one. I know Reading have been embargoed pretty much solidly for 2 years.

Maybe lots of clubs get slapped with this, maybe not.

I believe around a 3rd of efl clubs have been in and out of embargoes in the past 12 month.

[TheExile]

1 hour ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

At the current time though, it seems that the overdue payment is a more serious issue for the EFL than HMRC. If it remains outstanding come the end of November the volume will turn up exponentially of course.

Yeah if not paid quickly the EFL can take further sanctions 

[Tylluan]

I can't be arsed to look into the validity of this and also wouldn't know where to start but there's comments/conjecture flying about that Thai Union have had a delay in paying out an interim dividend to overseas share holders. It was due in September and it also happened last year. 

Something to do with they pay out in Baht but to shift large amounts out of the country it has to be changed into a different currency and go through customs. 

 

[Reesh]

1 hour ago, Tylluan said:

I can't be arsed to look into the validity of this and also wouldn't know where to start but there's comments/conjecture flying about that Thai Union have had a delay in paying out an interim dividend to overseas share holders. It was due in September and it also happened last year. 

Something to do with they pay out in Baht but to shift large amounts out of the country it has to be changed into a different currency and go through customs. 

 

AB mentioned the rules on moving monies out of Thailand changed a lot during COVID and remain in place.

[mkowl]

4 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Thank you. It's good and refreshing to have a civilised exchange of views on this subject. 

There's no doubting that your points regarding training facilities and stadium are inarguable. Millstones acquired by DC from previous ownership. DC has spent on the training facilities to an extent however and did invest in the new pitch. Despite criticisms during the last two mid- winters the pitch is still way better than under any previous ownership.

Of course; massive investment is needed to bring the stadium and training facilities up to standard and,  if we're  being honest, likely both require different sites. But they're debates for another day and in reality for if/when a new ownership brings with it around a billion quid to chuck at it. There's the rub.

 

Yep it is good to debate stuff 

To clarify I will never let the previous incumbents of the directors box off the hook. There has been 30 years of malaise and poor decisions, that as you say were inherited millstones for sure.

Equally I have never advocated the protest, or the naive née stupid suggesting you read elsewhere of forcing him out. 

But an owner can run their course, I can cite Norwich and Delia Smith where they have gradually exited in a dignified way. 

My point here really is if you have steadied the ship, the foundations are a tad better, then setting up the exit is now at an appropriate juncture. I can't believe Chansiri wants to endure the stress for ever more 

 

[Tank_Owl2,0]

Just been talked about on BBC Look L**ds, so it must be important. And of course RS chipped in. 
“They cant sign any players, while under and embargo”.

Shouts at TV we cant anyway til Jan!

Mention that will be paid but DC hasn’t received some monies, presumably the dividend mentioned by others.

[mkowl]

I mean I know I shouldn't look on Stalk but the thread on there is so full of basic financial ignorance it is comedy gold. I appreciate I work in that sector so it's obvious, but I know fuck all about building houses I wouldn't go on a construction forum and tell them about planning rules.

The interesting one for us, is it PAYE or VAT. More likely the former given I think the EFL rules are quite strict on timing and reporting defaults and that would tie in to late paying for Sept payroll due 19th October. 

Though I think it was deferred VAT last year.

 

[Reesh]

23 minutes ago, mkowl said:

I mean I know I shouldn't look on Stalk but the thread on there is so full of basic financial ignorance it is comedy gold. I appreciate I work in that sector so it's obvious, but I know fuck all about building houses I wouldn't go on a construction forum and tell them about planning rules.

The interesting one for us, is it PAYE or VAT. More likely the former given I think the EFL rules are quite strict on timing and reporting defaults and that would tie in to late paying for Sept payroll due 19th October. 

Though I think it was deferred VAT last year.

 

Stalk is where braincells go to die. There's more knowledge in my shredding bag at work than amongst the vocal majority on there.

Hargreaves is too busy guiding his flock towards discourse to even care. The fat bald fucking rat ****, cancer is too good for him

 

[Billysboy]

36 minutes ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

Just been talked about on BBC Look L**ds, so it must be important. And of course RS chipped in. 
“They cant sign any players, while under and embargo”.

Shouts at TV we cant anyway til Jan!

Mention that will be paid but DC hasn’t received some monies, presumably the dividend mentioned by others.

Dont think there was as much media coverage when the pigs were embargoed, and they got deducted points.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

4 hours ago, mkowl said:

Yep it is good to debate stuff 

To clarify I will never let the previous incumbents of the directors box off the hook. There has been 30 years of malaise and poor decisions, that as you say were inherited millstones for sure.

Equally I have never advocated the protest, or the naive née stupid suggesting you read elsewhere of forcing him out. 

But an owner can run their course, I can cite Norwich and Delia Smith where they have gradually exited in a dignified way. 

My point here really is if you have steadied the ship, the foundations are a tad better, then setting up the exit is now at an appropriate juncture. I can't believe Chansiri wants to endure the stress for ever more 

 

I've  only been on here for 14 or 15 months but in that time I've seen enough not to doubt your first two paragraphs even though my wording might have inadvertently suggested so. Not intended.

I think the key barrier to DC exiting is the money that he's pumped in. Some might argue that he's chasing his losses like a gambling addict though IMO that would be a crude assessment.

As regards Delia, I'm  not sure that she has personally funded anything close to what DC has here - barring her half time bar bills maybe 🤣. I get your sentiments though and perhaps DC's has an exit plan that is just one year into it's journey. As I said earlier, the winds of change started to blow over a year ago and I reckon he'll be looking to see how things sit in a couple of years time hoping that Danny et al can work the oracle in the meantime. Agree though that things must be wearing him down.

 

Edited November 1 by Teddy Nickelarse

[Teddy Nickelarse]

3 hours ago, mkowl said:

I mean I know I shouldn't look on Stalk but ........

 

This is bad for your mental health and exhibits poor judgement - if only I didn't have similar lapses!  Couldn't resist a look under the carpet and no surprises in that thread. A couple of WUM's, the odd defiant one not towing the party line being ragged by Hargreaves and a host of the usual suspects in a feeding frenzy.

[mkowl]

Apparently there is a mandatory charity bucket collection donation of £100 today or no entry.

Appears to be a charity set up in Thailand to protect tuna fisherman

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

Apparently there is a mandatory charity bucket collection donation of £100 today or no entry.

Appears to be a charity set up in Thailand to protect tuna fisherman

..... indeed; so they say.

[HoylandOwl]

While it's not beyond the realms possibility that DC is/has been feeling the strain, his strain might not be 'the football club', who knows he might actually enjoy the hustle and bustle of it. 

There's so much of the unknown about DC (Not that we SHOULD know more about him) too. WE have all said he's made mistakes, there's an argument to say he's making more, I mean why would we be under an embargo for example. The parallels between the embargo and that interview last year where he asked fans to chip in, in terms of timing and the difficulty in moving funds from Thailand (if that's the reason) are there to be seen. He cannot control governments and their financial moves. 

I'll only be concerned, if the embargo doesn't go away. Whatever it is that hasn't been paid, remains so. BUT I can't talk about finances and the implications of how things work specifically re PAYE VAT etc beyond a wage packet, as I aint a number cruncher. So I won't even try.

But again, while people continue to point out his failings, which is their want, he's also always made sure the bills are paid. The club COULD have gone under. It hasn't. And that's HIS input that's stopped it. However he's done it and the fact is he's also still bankrolling the club no matter which side of the fence you sit on, for or against him and, however he does it is his business.

People continue to go over old ground re DC. OVER AND OVER. And what always irks me is that Milan Mandaric is lorded as the man who saved the club. Yes, while he did come in like a white knight and technically without him you could argue we could have gone to the wall, and it brought upon a positive outlook so I am thankful but... What he passed on to DC (And what DC agreed to 'buy') was a club saddled with debt. Milan didn't get rid of that debt, he didn't pay it off, it just got shifted sideways didn't it? (Or have I got that wrong?). Why isn't Milan saddled with some of the blame for our current predicament if that is the case?

As alluded to before, this financial black cloud has been having an impact on SWFC for DECADES, not just in the time that DC has been here. No, he's not perfect, no he's not the messiah, but NEITHER is he responsible for that looming cloud of doubt being there in the first place. Just because he's the incumbent now, it doesn't mean he's the sole harbinger of doom.  Can we move forward with him? Well, I think it depends on what you see as progress, because if it's to get into the top flight and STAY there ASAP, then possibly no RIGHT NOW. That would take hundreds of millions in spending which one person, unless you're Jeff Bezos, isn't going to happen.

We've had some time when shrewd business moves and SWFC haven't gone hand in hand. On and off the pitch. BUT, the stuff on it, in terms of players purchased, turning into potential saleable assets, the academy players developing and moving into the first team is happening. We've not got a team or squad of massively overpaid players with no chance of a financial return anymore. That model has changed. Which no matter which side of the DC fence you sit, that IS a positive step. And that has come under DC's stewardship. Yes, there's been mistakes on the way, of course. But things have changed. THAT is a positive and that is the way we have to go underwhoever's stewardship without the aforementioned 'gazzillionaire' type.. 

Brentford, they've done it. They might have only been up there what, 3 years or so now but it was about sustained, longer term growth than instant hits, they went up through the playoffs to get there too. I think they've still outlaid about £70m in transfers, when sales are factored in. Which still isn't an inconsiderate sum. 

While I don't think it's the responsibility of the naysayers to come up with someone to replace DC, as arguably I'd say most don't know what it takes to run a football club's finances, (like I don't). I do think there is an element of take care of what you wish for... Because, while things aren't all peachy, it's clear that things COULD be A LOT worse. 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

That probably encapsulates, broadly, the majority view of this forum's contributors HoylandOwl.

Your point re. the lauding of MM resonates with me too for sure. Not sure exactly but I foggily recall him getting debts written off and others deferred (Allen IIRC again). Spent the bare minimum, sold for £ms profit - no crime but hardly reasons for sanctification either.

[HoylandOwl]

6 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

. Spent the bare minimum, sold for £ms profit - no crime but hardly reasons for sanctification either.

This. Exactly

[lobster]

And no one knows where MM got his money from ( cue every one quoting Wikipedia page which is the standard response ) . When our Chief Exec at the time vioced his concerns to the EFL there was no response

[Harry Lime]

I reckon DC feels he can manage the ups and downs financially and will just ride out the peaks and troughs. I'm comfortable with the current state of things, it isn't like he's running round trying to offload and he's had plenty of time to see what's coming down the track and whether or not it's manageable. Don't see a queue of potential buyers either, just the odd grifter dropping in for a browse around.

As for Owlstalk. Crying shame really, used to be so popular with a vast array of opinions but it's become staid, one sided, predictable and repetitive. I seldom visit these days. It seemed to change drastically when there was a marked change in the site owners interactions on the site a few years ago, or did I imagine that. Impartial moderation must be difficult though, staying neutral I mean. Doubt I could do it but I'm sure I wouldn't become a knob like some on there and one or two other SM sites I frequent.

[mkowl]

26 minutes ago, lobster said:

And no one knows where MM got his money from ( cue every one quoting Wikipedia page which is the standard response ) . When our Chief Exec at the time vioced his concerns to the EFL there was no response

Offshore company and Trust.

LS had some very interesting theories

[Reesh]

2 minutes ago, Harry Lime said:

I reckon DC feels he can manage the ups and downs financially and will just ride out the peaks and troughs. I'm comfortable with the current state of things, it isn't like he's running round trying to offload and he's had plenty of time to see what's coming down the track and whether or not it's manageable. Don't see a queue of potential buyers either, just the odd grifter dropping in for a browse around.

As for Owlstalk. Crying shame really, used to be so popular with a vast array of opinions but it's become staid, one sided, predictable and repetitive. I seldom visit these days. It seemed to change drastically when there was a marked change in the site owners interactions on the site a few years ago, or did I imagine that. Impartial moderation must be difficult though, staying neutral I mean. Doubt I could do it but I'm sure I wouldn't become a knob like some on there and one or two other SM sites I frequent.

It changed cos Neil is a fucking bald fat wrong un wanker shithead cocksucker

[lobster]

4 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Offshore company and Trust.

LS had some very interesting theories

Standard answer -but doesn't say where the money came from for the Family trust or the offshore companies

[mkowl]

2 minutes ago, lobster said:

Standard answer -but doesn't say where the money came from for the Family trust or the offshore companies

True 

 

[Tylluan]

Seem to remember a lot of short term loans done with MM's mates in Malta 

All those on the MM love bus also conveniently forget he sold us (literally)down the river with Mammadov. It was only the Azerbaijani government freezing his money that saved us from the financial irregularities that Atletico and Lens, in particular, had to endure. We'd have probably been on League 2 for the 18/19 season and in administration. 

And Mandaric wouldn't have given two shits about it, just like Portsmouth 

[HoylandOwl]

21 minutes ago, Tylluan said:

Seem to remember a lot of short term loans done with MM's mates in Malta 

All those on the MM love bus also conveniently forget he sold us (literally)down the river with Mammadov. It was only the Azerbaijani government freezing his money that saved us from the financial irregularities that Atletico and Lens, in particular, had to endure. We'd have probably been on League 2 for the 18/19 season and in administration. 

And Mandaric wouldn't have given two shits about it, just like Portsmouth 

Don’t badmouth him though. It’s all DC’s fault 

[mkowl]

MM was classic private equity, buy a distressed company fairly cheaply, steady the ship, but don't throw significant investment at it, but with borrowed money, sweat the assets, then sell out.

MM is lauded because of where we were, stopped us going into admin, started the recovery process of a then decade in decline, certainly helped we got a promotion ahead of the other lot.

He also knew though when to get out. And that is where I am with Chansiri, that having built a foundation he should look to exit. The problem as others have said he has committed a lot financially, that he would never get back if we are in the Championship, but he doesn't have the resource and the ability to delegate to get us to the Premier League 

 

[TheExile]

Players being let off the hook over this on some other social media sites….almost played right into a narrative. I don’t think this kind of thing helps but there can be no excuses for capitulations that we have seen before at more optimistic times 

[mkowl]

1 minute ago, TheExile said:

Players being let off the hook over this on some other social media sites….almost played right into a narrative. I don’t think this kind of thing helps but there can be no excuses for capitulations that we have seen before at more optimistic times 

The 2nd half was like they had been told at HT the bank transfer of their wages on Thursday had been recalled by the bank or summat. 

Saying that our ability for the owner to self sabotage our season is not without form. 

 

 

[Tank_Owl2,0]

According to a nobhead on RS Rohl has to go, "hes been given enough time". With that kind of support, what chance have we got.

It was poor second half, combine that with a disgrace of a ref that had no backbone we got mugged.

I dont know what DR does to change it for Tuesday. With a bit of luck Norwich wont fancy another long trip after their visit to Cardiff.

I know people were questioning DR taking Charless off, but a) he could be carrying a knock and or b) he thought we arent going to turn this around save him for the next game. Either way it was the right decision. Just have to dust ourselves down and go again Tuesday. Weve turned it around before.

Edited November 2 by Tank_Owl2,0

[Tank_Owl2,0]

26 minutes ago, mkowl said:

The 2nd half was like they had been told at HT the bank transfer of their wages on Thursday had been recalled by the bank or summat. 

Saying that our ability for the owner to self sabotage our season is not without form. 

 

 

I cant lie, the same thought went through my mind 

[TheExile]

Even if it did, we’ve seen teams at clubs with financial problems get results in adversity 

[holmesfield_owl]

53 minutes ago, TheExile said:

Even if it did, we’ve seen teams at clubs with financial problems get results in adversity 

They're not exactly short of a few quid each either, even if there had been a delay, which I doubt 

[Billysboy]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

The 2nd half was like they had been told at HT the bank transfer of their wages on Thursday had been recalled by the bank or summat. 

Saying that our ability for the owner to self sabotage our season is not without form. 

 

 

Christ mate, am thinking this is tongue in cheek, if not it would win post of the day on stalk.

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Billysboy said:

Christ mate, am thinking this is tongue in cheek, if not it would win post of the day on stalk.

The irony being I pop over there to observe i got a pop up to say "join the site" first time since being banned. 

I mean part of me hopes that they.played so bad because they were pissed off, rather than they were just shite, but I suspect the latter !

[Billysboy]

14 minutes ago, mkowl said:

The irony being I pop over there to observe i got a pop up to say "join the site" first time since being banned. 

I mean part of me hopes that they.played so bad because they were pissed off, rather than they were just shite, but I suspect the latter !

Fair enough,I think you should  rejoin just to educate the thick fucks on financial matters🤣

[mkowl]

10 minutes ago, Billysboy said:

Fair enough,I think you should  rejoin just to educate the thick fucks on financial matters🤣

I suspect the offer would have been rejected once my IP address got logged. 

The frustration is the financial stuff, there are a couple on there that do know their stuff but the nonsense prevails and it permeates elsewhere. I know because my lads will often say stuff to me they have gleaned.