George Baldock…

[mkowl]

54 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Comparing that to this. Give over.

Yep you are the one making a mountain out of a molehill.

Jeez a snide remark on a social media page now has demands the person is given a lifetime ban from the stadium and demands they are prosecuted to boot.

In the US they have just elected a chap who offends 24/7 to be the most powerful person in the world 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

On 25/10/2024 at 12:27, mkowl said:

Its all Diana's fault and the grief needing to be displayed these days - even if its more important to display it than actually showing grief 

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Ah... just seen this and agree 100%. Also the need to weep for the camera on celebrity TV or faux outrage apropos distorted political correctness etc etc.

 If I misinterpreted your post of earlier this evening I apologise. The Baldock quote reported earlier today though - just basic lack of common decency that should brook nothing but contempt IMO. 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

24 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Yep you are the one making a mountain out of a molehill.

Jeez a snide remark on a social media page now has demands the person is given a lifetime ban from the stadium and demands they are prosecuted to boot.

In the US they have just elected a chap who offends 24/7 to be the most powerful person in the world 

 

See my post above which I posted before reading this.

I agree with the sentiments stated in your second paragraph however crass and lacking in common decency the remark was (theirs not yours)

Do you think that the US president is still really the most powerful man in the world though? ....... one perhaps for another day

 

Edited November 8 by Teddy Nickelarse

[owl71]

49 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

See my post above which I posted before reading this.

I agree with the sentiments stated in your second paragraph however crass and lacking in common decency the remark was (theirs not yours)

Do you think that the US president is still really the most powerful man in the world though? ....... one perhaps for another day

 

Well Trump and Musk are the most powerful pair of friends in the World for sure.  

[Teddy Nickelarse]

7 hours ago, owl71 said:

Well Trump and Musk are the most powerful pair of friends in the World for sure.  

Most powerful buddies in the US for sure but, as I say, one for another day ..... for me at least.

Edited November 9 by Teddy Nickelarse

[mkowl]

1 hour ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Most powerful buddies in the US for sure but, as I say, one for another day ..... for me at least.

True they are just working for the King Lizard of course 

[mkowl]

9 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Ah... just seen this and agree 100%. Also the need to weep for the camera on celebrity TV or faux outrage apropos distorted political correctness etc etc.

 If I misinterpreted your post of earlier this evening I apologise. The Baldock quote reported earlier today though - just basic lack of common decency that should brook nothing but contempt IMO. 

 

And that sort of is my issue, yes the comment lacked common decency, but ultimately it is just a comment, probably an attempt at humour or a wind up. 

But is it deserving of contempt, then a criminal investigation and potential ban from the stadium ?

Perhaps it's the modern world, the Dianaification that leads to minor moments of being a dick to extrapolate to these outcomes. I get the don't be a dick you'll be fine view, but where does it end.

Having been on the derivatives of this site for many years I can safely say the comments and jokes from 10 - 15 years ago would mean the match thread would contain just Tee who was in the stadium itself

 

[Andyben]

7 minutes ago, mkowl said:

match thread would contain just Tee who was in the stadium itself

We're not far off that now...😂 

[mkowl]

It begs the bigger question of how will it end. To give one example, Mrs MK does a bit of exam invigilating these days. Mainly because a friend of hers that works as an exam co-ordinator needs the numbers. The days of my youth when all 200 were lumped into the hall, these days 120 might but the other 80 are spread over 5 rooms, even a few permitted to take at home.

The reasons for it are multi, ranging from ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety, medical, middle class parents seeking to gain an advantage etc. All commendable I am sure, but in the vast majority of cases once they reach 18, join the real world and are no longer molly coddled what next for them. 

[mkowl]

2 minutes ago, Andyben said:

We're not far off that now...😂 

Very true, I sometimes disappoint myself with how quickly I became an armchair supporter and how I lambasted the very nature 10 years ago. 

[Reesh]

Hoping, whatever the result, that there are no horrific chants tomorrow.

My earlier post wasn't meant to be disrespectful and again I apologise, at the end of the day a husband, son and father passed away in tragic circumstances and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Its football at the end of the day and although we are tribal we've grown up alongside each other and are two sides of the same coin the city.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

4 minutes ago, Reesh said:

Hoping, whatever the result, that there are no horrific chants tomorrow.

My earlier post wasn't meant to be disrespectful and again I apologise, at the end of the day a husband, son and father passed away in tragic circumstances and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Its football at the end of the day and although we are tribal we've grown up alongside each other and are two sides of the same coin the city.

👍👏

[owl71]

Yeah we don’t want any silly fuckers singing anything about Baldock tomorrow.  ”Hillsborough disaster fans sick chants on Remembrance Sunday”  headlines on Monday morning wouldn’t be a good look.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

And that sort of is my issue, yes the comment lacked common decency, but ultimately it is just a comment, probably an attempt at humour or a wind up. 

But is it deserving of contempt, then a criminal investigation and potential ban from the stadium ?

Perhaps it's the modern world, the Dianaification that leads to minor moments of being a dick to extrapolate to these outcomes. I get the don't be a dick you'll be fine view, but where does it end.

Having been on the derivatives of this site for many years I can safely say the comments and jokes from 10 - 15 years ago would mean the match thread would contain just Tee who was in the stadium itself

 

Just a comment yes but but we see how things can evolve - banter to pigs to scum to hatred to violence. Conversely, of course, there is bandwagon jumping, yes, which can lead to the punishment far exceeding the crime. From a club perspective it has little option other than to take a strong line to drive away behaviours that are unwanted at the stadium. Employers  not wanting their name sullied ( and potential loss of business) I understand too. Police - don't  think so. 

I agree with the Dianification hysteria reflex as already said.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

It begs the bigger question of how will it end. To give one example, Mrs MK does a bit of exam invigilating these days. Mainly because a friend of hers that works as an exam co-ordinator needs the numbers. The days of my youth when all 200 were lumped into the hall, these days 120 might but the other 80 are spread over 5 rooms, even a few permitted to take at home.

The reasons for it are multi, ranging from ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety, medical, middle class parents seeking to gain an advantage etc. All commendable I am sure, but in the vast majority of cases once they reach 18, join the real world and are no longer molly coddled what next for them. 

I agree with your fundamental sentiments. There is no definitive answer so pandering (for want of a better word) to all ensues. Some things are just plain wrong though and deserve calling out - IMO. 

Edited November 9 by Teddy Nickelarse

[Teddy Nickelarse]

2 hours ago, mkowl said:

True they are just working for the King Lizard of course 

As I say, for another day maybe.

[mkowl]

Just now, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Just a comment yes but but we see how things can evolve - banter to pigs to scum to hatred to violence. Conversely, of course, there is bandwagon jumping, yes, which can lead to the punishment far exceeding the crime. From a club perspective it has little option other than to take a strong line to drive away behaviours that are unwanted at the stadium. Employers  not wanting their name sullied ( and potential loss of business) I understand too. Police - don't  think so. 

I agree with the Dianification hysteria reflex as already said.

Perhaps they evolve because they get publicised everywhere these days and folk jump on the bandwagon.

I fully appreciate I am probably not understanding the zeitgeist these days.

Then I never did with Diana, my sadness never extended beyond the fact how shit it would be for any children to lose a parent in that way. The cruelty was forcing those kids to the public glare at the funeral. But I can promise the jokes told in the aftermath, and that was just the women in our office, would not pass any test these days 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

1 minute ago, mkowl said:

Perhaps they evolve because they get publicised everywhere these days and folk jump on the bandwagon.

I fully appreciate I am probably not understanding the zeitgeist these days.

Then I never did with Diana, my sadness never extended beyond the fact how shit it would be for any children to lose a parent in that way. The cruelty was forcing those kids to the public glare at the funeral. But I can promise the jokes told in the aftermath, and that was just the women in our office, would not pass any test these days 

Perhaps in some cases, then again, the rolling bandwagon perhaps also played a big part in driving away (maybe only underground in some cases though) the ape chants if the 80's.

Anyway I've said my piece on this. I've hardly lived my life as a paragon of political correctness when all's said and done..

[mkowl]

14 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Just a comment yes but but we see how things can evolve - banter to pigs to scum to hatred to violence. Conversely, of course, there is bandwagon jumping, yes, which can lead to the punishment far exceeding the crime. From a club perspective it has little option other than to take a strong line to drive away behaviours that are unwanted at the stadium. Employers  not wanting their name sullied ( and potential loss of business) I understand too. Police - don't  think so. 

I agree with the Dianification hysteria reflex as already said.

I think that is the excuse to hide behind. 

It's the fact that someone says something, a bit knobheadish for sure but with the digital footprint we leave behind, the social media police decide to out them, find out where they work, hound the social media of their employer etc etc. Police get involved, criminal record

I find that pretty abhorrent behaviour - no different to the pitchforks of the middle ages. But I believe in karma and one day those leading the pile on will be piled on when they perhaps err

I get you have to face the consequences of your actions, but the former seem way out of sync these days to the latter

[mkowl]

2 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Perhaps in some cases, then again, the rolling bandwagon perhaps also played a big part in driving away (maybe only underground in some cases though) the ape chants if the 80's.

Anyway I've said my piece on this. I've hardly lived my life as a paragon of political correctness when all's said and done..

Neither have I and probably still don't - but I accept I have to tread carefully in the public domain.

I get your first point and yes the line evolves over time, but probably like my parents did not understand the modern world, I have probably come round to being my parents

And the reality is the Guardian readers of today will think the world has gone mad in 20 years time 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

2 minutes ago, mkowl said:

 

I get you have to face the consequences of your actions,

but the former seem way out of sync these days to the latter

Yes we do and yes it is.

[HoylandOwl]

6 hours ago, owl71 said:

Yeah we don’t want any silly fuckers singing anything about Baldock tomorrow.  ”Hillsborough disaster fans sick chants on Remembrance Sunday”  headlines on Monday morning wouldn’t be a good look.

I hadn't looked to see if there was anything else planned re George Baldock tomorrow, but if there is, following the overwhelming majority of Owls who treated the tribute at Hillsborough (and online) following his tragic death with the upmost of respect, I'd expect similar to happen again tomorrow. 

The actions of a couple of idiotic pillocks online, does not represent even 1% of the Wednesday fanbase. That is for sure. 

[EBRA]

So many snowflake around and don’t give me it a just the left .. the right just as bad getting upset about everything. 
 

It’s all amplified do to social media - sadly it’s also retained forever. 

[Andyben]

2 hours ago, HoylandOwl said:

I hadn't looked to see if there was anything else planned re George Baldock tomorrow, but if there is, following the overwhelming majority of Owls who treated the tribute at Hillsborough (and online) following his tragic death with the upmost of respect, I'd expect similar to happen again tomorrow. 

The actions of a couple of idiotic pillocks online, does not represent even 1% of the Wednesday fanbase. That is for sure. 

But why would they even want to do something again?

The only reason would be to try and goad or bait people into doing something stupid.

He didn't die at Ypres, Kandahar  or Iowa Jima

[HoylandOwl]

30 minutes ago, Andyben said:

But why would they even want to do something again?

The only reason would be to try and goad or bait people into doing something stupid.

He didn't die at Ypres, Kandahar  or Iowa Jima

I don’t think they are. But just saying, I still think it would be respected. 

[Andyben]

It would certainly take away from what ought to be remembered tomorrow 

[Owling_Wolf]

12 hours ago, Andyben said:

It would certainly take away from what ought to be remembered tomorrow 

Iowa Jima?   

[Reesh]

44 minutes ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Iowa Jima?   

Iwo Jima I believe he meant.

[Owling_Wolf]

Just now, Reesh said:

Iwo Jima I believe he meant.

Err... yes.

[HoylandOwl]

I’ve seen the picture being circulated on social media. If that’s right, then, well. What an idiot. What gets into these people’s Mind. 

[Paul from Wisewood]

What image?
 

Doubt it’s worse than spitting like the loppy bastards were doing (which will go ignored)

[mkowl]

13 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

What image?
 

Doubt it’s worse than spitting like the loppy bastards were doing (which will go ignored)

Seen both.

The first is a Wednesday fan, clearly taken from the stand above with his phone saying in bold text "Where's Baldock".

I mean I have mentioned what I think are over-reactions these days but fucking hell the dumbness of some people astounds me at times.

Saying that being spat at I would say is significantly worse. But the modern world seems to have reversed the old sticks n stones rhyme. I don't get that change but eh ho

[HoylandOwl]

13 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Seen both.

The first is a Wednesday fan, clearly taken from the stand above with his phone saying in bold text "Where's Baldock".

I mean I have mentioned what I think are over-reactions these days but fucking hell the dumbness of some people astounds me at times.

Saying that being spat at I would say is significantly worse. But the modern world seems to have reversed the old sticks n stones rhyme. I don't get that change but eh ho

I think both ‘incidents’ just show there’s an element of society that are just as thick as mince. And that’s that. 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

12 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I think both ‘incidents’ just show there’s an element of society that are just as thick as mince. And that’s that. 

Amen to that.

[mkowl]

4 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Amen to that.

I mean after our debate the other day and whether there are over-reactions,  FFS some of our fans just don't grasp if you are a dick then the eyes and phones are going to be trained on you. It's going to be all over social media, if they find out who you are employed by they will be harassed to sack you, just watch the fucking game not your phone 

 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

27 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said:

I think both ‘incidents’ just show there’s an element of society that are just as thick as mince. And that’s that. 

Having spent half an hour in Aldi this morning can confirm it's a large element, and growing.

 

[Paul from Wisewood]

46 minutes ago, mkowl said:

Seen both.

The first is a Wednesday fan, clearly taken from the stand above with his phone saying in bold text "Where's Baldock".

I mean I have mentioned what I think are over-reactions these days but fucking hell the dumbness of some people astounds me at times.

Saying that being spat at I would say is significantly worse. But the modern world seems to have reversed the old sticks n stones rhyme. I don't get that change but eh ho

Not seen the image, don’t use twitter, but spitting is assault, so as you say significantly worse, but not in the eyes of the great offended it seems these days 

 

[Paul from Wisewood]

And how  do sag ok them ***** being above away fans let alone not sectioning off the front few rows of the upper?

 

Fuck me there were some ugly ***** up there and doubt they’d have been so lippy had they not been above us 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

3 minutes ago, mkowl said:

I mean after our debate the other day and whether there are over-reactions,  FFS some of our fans just don't grasp if you are a dick then the eyes and phones are going to be trained on you. It's going to be all over social media, if they find out who you are employed by they will be harassed to sack you, just watch the fucking game not your phone 

 

Yes beggars belief doesn't it? What gets into people's heads to think that this is smart, decent ,'edgy' or whatever? Thankfully it's being panned by Owls fans.

[Teddy Nickelarse]

18 minutes ago, Paul from Wisewood said:

Not seen the image, don’t use twitter, but spitting is assault, so as you say significantly worse, but not in the eyes of the great offended it seems these days 

 

I don't  know; I reckon a video clip of a fan gobbing an oyster at fans below would have a considerable reaction. Best chance of that would be for the perpetrator to get a mate to video it - a bit like this muppet seems to have done. 

 

[Teddy Nickelarse]

19 hours ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

I don't  know; I reckon a video clip of a fan gobbing an oyster at fans below would have a considerable reaction. Best chance of that would be for the perpetrator to get a mate to video it - a bit like this muppet seems to have done. 

 

Just seen that there is such a video. Hopefully it can be enhanced sufficiently to identify the turd.

 

[mkowl]

10 minutes ago, Teddy Nickelarse said:

Just seen that there is such a video. Hopefully it can be enhanced sufficiently to identify the turd.

 

And to forward to his employer of course 🙈

[Teddy Nickelarse]

26 minutes ago, mkowl said:

And to forward to his employer of course 🙈

I'd  more favour putting him in the stocks and giving his victims three goes of the same at him. Dose up on Benylin to make it really productive 🤣

[Andyben]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

And to forward to his employer of course 🙈

Big assumption he's employed...

[mkowl]

Just now, Andyben said:

Big assumption he's employed...

Well yes after the NI rises is anyone going to be under the age of 25.

He appeared to have gone to my old school as well 

[Andyben]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

Well yes after the NI rises is anyone going to be under the age of 25.

He appeared to have gone to my old school as well 

I was referring to the vile pig in the upper tier 

[mkowl]

7 minutes ago, Andyben said:

I was referring to the vile pig in the upper tier 

Yep I get confused who I am outraged about these days. The Blade clearly was never in school, probably was in the local church choir in the charge of Elton Welsby or whatever the old Arch is called, would explain the spitting 

[Owling_Wolf]

1 hour ago, mkowl said:

Yep I get confused who I am outraged about these days. The Blade clearly was never in school, probably was in the local church choir in the charge of Elton Welsby or whatever the old Arch is called, would explain the spitting 

Nev?

You're on form today, btw!  😋

Edited November 11 by Owling_Wolf

[mkowl]

8 hours ago, Owling_Wolf said:

Nev?

You're on form today, btw!  😋

See this thread before the weekend was a debate not so much about Baldock but how society is these days.

The trigger points over the weekend are a microcosm of that, I mean I probably over analyse stuff I don't need to but it still leaves me perplexed.

That 

The written word on social media is now deemed more sinister than the spoken word or song which is still overplayed compared to spitting or intimidation or violence.

Not just in football but real life.

That a social media post can get you cancelled, prosecuted, unemployed but singing a song is showing pashun 

The demarcation is one step, the social media post is aimed at one person and is condemned.

The song, I accept is a bit pantomime show about football rivalry violence, the one step is that it does not reference an individual, but in the last year a Wednesday fan did die as a result. There is a lot saying about respecting Baldock's family - rightly so - but the considerations of the other family. Well we can ignore that due to this one step demarcation.

I mean I don't get why in real life a social media post gets you 3 years in jail but grooming as a TV presenter gets you a slap on the arse.

I get times change but questioning why the differential seems valid to me

 

[Andyben]

Look at Welby.

For all his virtue signalling, protestations a out Trump, Climate Change, BLM and Brexit he enabled a serial paedophile to continue and escape justice.

He should be imprisoned for complicity.

Perhaps an equivalent charge to 'corporate manslaughter' should be enacted for instances where institutions have covered up such horrific crimes.

 

If employees of SWFC can be charged for the failings of others, then surely Welby, the BBC, the Boys Brigade, Rotherham Social Services  etc should face the same 

Edited November 12 by Andyben