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What happens if the keeper gets a blue card with 20 minutes to go?

You sub a keeper on for 10 minutes?

Then what happens when he comes back?

You resub the keeper sub? Or keep the sub on bit put one if them at CF?

 

The intended outcome of this is full substitution rules like all other American sports.

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1 hour ago, Tewksbury said:

What happens if the keeper gets a blue card with 20 minutes to go?

You sub a keeper on for 10 minutes?

Then what happens when he comes back?

You resub the keeper sub? Or keep the sub on bit put one if them at CF?

 

The intended outcome of this is full substitution rules like all other American sports.

Easy, you put Lee Bullen in net, he is doing nowt else these days 

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5 hours ago, Beaconowl said:

Easy, you put Lee Bullen in net, he is doing nowt else these days 

That's a thought, after reading earlier that we've left places in our 25 man squad for potential free agent signings.  Lee could cover multiple positions, obviously.  Smart work!

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23 hours ago, Tewksbury said:

What happens if the keeper gets a blue card with 20 minutes to go?

You sub a keeper on for 10 minutes?

Then what happens when he comes back?

You resub the keeper sub? Or keep the sub on bit put one if them at CF?

Sticking as close to the current laws as possible, if a keeper is sin binned then you either stick an outfield player in goal for 10 mins or sub an outfield player for a recognised keeper. The subbed player is then allowed to come back on after 10 mins, in place of the offending keeper. If you want to bring the original keeper back on then you use another substitution to switch the keepers. 

Or you could just introduce a temporary substitution for keepers by classing them as a specialist position, much like prop forwards in rugby. This could also be used for possible concussion protocols for keepers. Chelsea wouldn't have had to use a sub after only 20 secs of the game they lost Cech in. 

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3 minutes ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

Another Americanism someone thinks is a good idea, but it’s not broken - so don’t bloody “fix it”

I agree, way too much tinkering and erosion of long established rules of the game.

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Thinking about it, having the rugby ref rules of only having the captains allowed to speak to the ref and anyone he calls over needs to be a thing.

If you're going to bring in a new card for minor Dissent etc, have a 'notional' yellow, could even be blue, where it does nothing on the day, but counts towards accumulated cards, so it doesn't affect the game, or the odd outburst, but would put a stop to those who repeatedly do it as they would start being at risk of bans through accumulated cards.

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What the fuck is minor dissent? Is it the same as being slightly pregnant?

It's either dissent or it's not.

 

Kick the ball away - dissent

Throw the ball down if a decision goes against you - dissent

Swear at the ref- straight red.

As suggested earlier, only the captain can speak to the ref

That'll sort all this shit out

 

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I’ve long thought that something needs to be changed in regards to yellow cards.

There is such a wide range of offences punished by a yellow card, right from a borderline yellow/red bad foul, to the innocuous and harmless taking your shirt off.

It’s possible to get sent off for two fairly minor transgressions, and I think a reflection of why we have sending offs is needed.

In my mind it should be a case of removing a player because they’ve committed an act sufficiently bad enough to say they just can’t continue in the game.

For straight reds I think we’ve more of less got it right. Three of the four reasons (violent conduct, serious foul play, professional foul) warrant it imo. Foul and abusive language not so much, but I sort of get why it’s in there.

But no one wants to see a team down to ten men for a mis timed tackle on the halfway line, and then later kicking the ball away do they?

 

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3 hours ago, cheat said:

I’ve long thought that something needs to be changed in regards to yellow cards.

I agree that there’s a need for a on field punishment that isn’t a red card. There’s a lot of “orange card” incidents where a red feels harsh and a yellow feels like they got away with one. Ten minutes off the pitch could solve that and make things more interesting when a “take a booking” foul leads to being temporarily down a player (or for the rest of the game if it’s near the end). It could also speed up the game if VAR is involved as the check could take place whilst the player is off the pitch and the game continues. 

The problem is however that the state of refereeing is so bad at the moment that adding further complexity is unlikely to end well. I agree with it in principle, but there’s so much that needs to be addressed first. 

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On 09/02/2024 at 19:12, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

Another Americanism someone thinks is a good idea, but it’s not broken - so don’t bloody “fix it”

 

On 10/02/2024 at 10:28, HoylandOwl said:

If it ain’t broke, don’t try and break it.

Leave the game alone you absolute whoppers. 

But it is broken.

Dissent is rife. It’s a blight on the game and is influencing behaviour down the leagues which is leading to verbal and physical assaults on refs. It needs stamping out.

I’d welcome ref’s clamping down and flashing yellows more frequently (what happened to the new approach for this season of booking players if more than one approached the ref with a moan?) but they don’t because they don’t want multiple sending offs per game. They don’t want to be seen as the person “spoiling the game as a contest”. So why not try a “5/10 minute sending off”?

See how few times the trainers come on for injured players now that it leads to 30 seconds off the pitch. If used consistently, a 5 minute sin bin for dissent would similarly transform attitudes and improve this aspect of the game. 

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1 hour ago, M42Owl said:

 

But it is broken.

Dissent is rife. It’s a blight on the game and is influencing behaviour down the leagues which is leading to verbal and physical assaults on refs. It needs stamping out.

I’d welcome ref’s clamping down and flashing yellows more frequently (what happened to the new approach for this season of booking players if more than one approached the ref with a moan?) but they don’t because they don’t want multiple sending offs per game. They don’t want to be seen as the person “spoiling the game as a contest”. So why not try a “5/10 minute sending off”?

See how few times the trainers come on for injured players now that it leads to 30 seconds off the pitch. If used consistently, a 5 minute sin bin for dissent would similarly transform attitudes and improve this aspect of the game. 

If The refs gave yellows for dissent consistently and systematically the dissent would end. Trouble is they don’t, partly because they won’t against the “big clubs” players. No need for a fecking blue card and bloody sin bins.

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7 hours ago, Tank_Owl2,0 said:

If The refs gave yellows for dissent consistently and systematically the dissent would end. Trouble is they don’t, partly because they won’t against the “big clubs” players. No need for a fecking blue card and bloody sin bins.

This. 
As I said earlier. 
Use the cards you have currently, properly. Then it’ll stop once players realise they can’t fuck about dissent wise anymore 

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