Neville Facking Bartos Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaconowl Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Love this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling_Wolf Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Absolutely love this. All of it. 15 heroes out there on that grass tonight. And another big one stood watching on the touchline. Absolutely so because if he's responsible for all the bad stuff last week, then he's just as responsible for all the good stuff this week! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Anyone notice the members of the coaching staff trying to rev up the crowd in the warm up? They were all so invested in it last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys 12th Pint Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 So proud to have this human being as a figure head of our Club. So want him to succeed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 13 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said: So proud to have this human being as a figure head of our Club. So want him to succeed here. If people do watch again on Sky quite a lot said pre match about the racist and other abuse Moore received after Friday. And the way he has handled it There was criticism on here Friday, emotions are high but I don't think it crosses a line beyond valid question marks against his tactical nous. And I still think his ability to switch "in game" is questionable and last night it was Ferguson that messed that up I have often said that he would make a really good Director of Football for us in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I've not been Moores biggest fan but its clear to see the players and staff are all behind him and it's as much that which has got us to the final as anything. Frankly I thought we needed a change of manager but, and while this might still be emotion talking, regardless of result at Wembley we should keep him in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl4ever1867 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, Mark said: I've not been Moores biggest fan but its clear to see the players and staff are all behind him and it's as much that which has got us to the final as anything. Frankly I thought we needed a change of manager but, and while this might still be emotion talking, regardless of result at Wembley we should keep him in charge. It was intresting to hear what Clinton Morrison said last night - players want to play for Moore. We've all been critical of Moore at some point over the season but his colour has never & will never come into it on this forum. I like the guy, you can see he wants to be successful here, let's give him the time to build & get it right - the 1 thing we all should do - patience. UTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 56 minutes ago, owl4ever1867 said: It was intresting to hear what Clinton Morrison said last night - players want to play for Moore. We've all been critical of Moore at some point over the season but his colour has never & will never come into it on this forum. I like the guy, you can see he wants to be successful here, let's give him the time to build & get it right - the 1 thing we all should do - patience. UTO He's made mistakes, who hasn't, and while I obviously want us 2 do it for myself and the fans, he and the players deserve it after all this. That's not 2 say we will , but nobody would dispute we deserve it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 What was salient on one of the videos was his point "one more game to go". That really has to be the mantra, the celebrations on the pitch last night matched the achievement of what had been done. I hope Moore keeps these players focused, I am sure he will, their media commitments kept to a minimum. Nothing will convince me the players were 100% on it v Hull, too much distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoylandOwl Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 9 minutes ago, mkowlthesexynewversion said: What was salient on one of the videos was his point "one more game to go". That really has to be the mantra, the celebrations on the pitch last night matched the achievement of what had been done. I hope Moore keeps these players focused, I am sure he will, their media commitments kept to a minimum. Nothing will convince me the players were 100% on it v Hull, too much distraction. I think it's much harder to keep the media side of things to a minimum around games like that, and the one we have coming up. The media demand, and have the rights to access so much stuff. In theory they COULD keep the players away from the media except for the mandated stuff pre game. But believe me, the media scrum are persistent, and the officials at the EFL fall over backwards to force what the media want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, HoylandOwl said: I think it's much harder to keep the media side of things to a minimum around games like that, and the one we have coming up. The media demand, and have the rights to access so much stuff. In theory they COULD keep the players away from the media except for the mandated stuff pre game. But believe me, the media scrum are persistent, and the officials at the EFL fall over backwards to force what the media want. Perhaps marginally less than the Championship play off given its big money stakes - I am just reminded that for Hull City there was less noise, their fans had been at Wembley not that long before That approach worked and for me the only time to get giddy is when we have won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I'm going to pre-empt what I'm about to write with the caveat that I'm taking nothing away from last night's performance, but... It should never have been needed. I looked at the bench, when the team was announced, and thought what the fuck is plan B if we lose a couple of those that have only just come back? A more cynical away manager (IE me) would have looked at that bench and tried to put at least two forwards out of action. And that's been us all season and could be us at Wembley. A lack in game management might do for us. Last night was a brilliant team performance which was born out of fantastic preparation but that preparation held sway over the 120 minutes. What you have to think about is there would have been that same meticulous preparation done for the first leg (and Forest Green and Cheltenham and every other game) but when that got blown out of the water we didn't change to respond and everyone on here knew it and said it. The subs were like for like. The formation didn't change. We didn't change to shut up shop at the beginning of the second half and stifle the life out of the game. The list could be bigger. For me, Moore still has no in game management and these last two seasons show he never had. If we go up then we need somebody that has that ability. Someone who can read the game a lot better and react a lot quicker. We were all expecting to have been on here last night lamenting a wasted opportunity of a season. Instead we've all rightly been caught up in the understandable euphoria of one incredible game. But this season is still a wasted opportunity and I think the sentimentality has to be taken out of it when planning forward. So I'd like to thank Darren for last night and everything he's done for the club but, promoted or not, Wembley has to be his last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 Remind me who it is you manage again Ty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Interesting post Ty and agree with the vast majority The point is last night Ferguson blinked and changed his personnel, let us have the ball and allowed our Plan A to dominate. If you look at the first half of extra time we were 2nd best. That probably did not surprise me given the energy expended and we were able to go again So you can't fault the preparation and there will be full on preparation for 10 days time. If it goes wrong then I am apprehensive about what he will do. It is harsh but it is what is stopping him becoming a very good manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkowlthesexynewversion Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 6 minutes ago, Neville Facking Bartos said: Remind me who it is you manage again Ty Does that matter, Ty is not saying anything different to a lot of us. And no one can actually say last night was a tactical masterclass. It was sheer endeavour, effort and application,which Moore totally gets credit for instilling last night, but for all the plaudits it was lacking for half a dozen games at the pivotal moment. It was rudimentary football, it worked but in a final and in a higher league that may come up short But he deserves to continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylluan Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 @Neville Facking Bartos It's not about me managing a club or a team. It's about me having an opinion and being able to voice it on here in a respectful manner, which I believe I have. I have a different point of view and if we hadn't had done it last night how many, including yourself, would have had the same opinion? That it was time to say thanks and good luck. As MK has just alluded to, what happens if we walk out of Wembley thinking why didn't he change this or do that? Are we still keeping DM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neville Facking Bartos Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 I get the general point, I really do. I’ve questioned him myself on occasion and even said he should go, but that was likely emotion talking, it may well be again at the other end of the spectrum. Look, when you assess the season as a whole and put aside performances in single games or the spell after Derby it’s been superb even should the unthinkable happen and we don’t go up. That defeat at Barnsley was tough for them to take, clearly had an impact mentally. That’s the toughest part of football for me. Anyway, what impressed me the most about last night were the stories about mental preparation. An ability to recognise that as a manager is a trait of someone that could be a massive success here providing he has good football people around him, that may recognise things faster. And of course an owner that backs him, as he has so far, I talk more of autonomy that financially (January). He’s clearly a people focussed person, of great character and gets people buying in, if others around him are right then that balance outweighs any tactical ineptitude. That’s why I have changed my mind, again. Pretty convinced now. I only mentioned your managerial credentials as you referenced being the away manager, tongue in cheek really as knew you had not being hypothetical. It’s a bit sad to be picking holes in things less than 24 hours after one of the best performances in our history, just enjoy it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I can agree with both Nev and Ty. For me last night was just a fantastic occasion which for once we came out the right side. A night I won't forget so let's enjoy and I think say if we'd been 4 down to ANY of our recent manager's no way we'd have pulled it back. They clearly play 4 him. As said before I have doubts re Moore but flip side, he's shown he can get us to 96 points. No guarantees he can do it again but he might not have to. I might not be convinced but I think he's earned the right whatever happens to start next season as our manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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